midi 发表于 2008-6-16 17:16:28

哪位高手知道:高级玩法OLL的交替状态是为什么?

在魔方高级玩法里,玩到完成顶面OLL的那个步骤里面有一个很奇怪的问题,,为什么不同的状态的解决方法可以用来练习?
举个例子:当用37算法完成37状态时,可以再用一次,就可以转到36状态,用36解法就可以将36状态还原一面,接着再继续……
这时候就有一个问题了:倘若说36解法是将右上角和右下角的颜色复原,那么为什么当它完成一面的时候再用36解法就回将右上角和左下角的颜色换走呢?
这里的36,37状态和解法是指魔方小站的这个网页:http://www.rubik.com.cn/fridrich2.htm

midi 发表于 2008-6-16 17:16:51

这个顶好的贴快来看!

midi 发表于 2008-6-16 17:17:22

如果有空,看的懂的网友帮忙说清楚点

13813800 发表于 2008-6-16 17:22:04

这就是规律呀。规律知道了,就可以了。再研究下去,不知道会发现什么。

魔鱼儿 发表于 2008-6-16 17:23:18

这个不太清楚,不过我发现其实OLL只要按组来记是必较容易些的,好多公式和状态都是相互互换的,有的状态可以用其它两种状态的公式结合起来解决.

乌木 发表于 2008-6-16 18:38:24

回复 1# 的帖子

你从复原态出发做那36式、37式,就知道要翻色的两个角块用这公式时并不是就地翻色的,而是三个角块轮换着、其中两个边移位边翻色,一个只移位不翻色。OLL中这种情况很多,这里允许移位的思路是,1、公式简单(不移位也可,但公式就长了);2、只求顶面同色,移位无所谓,因为后面还要做PLL调位置。

bimilbenhao 发表于 2008-6-16 18:51:49

我也觉得奇怪     有的复员后重复2次就能复员  有的要重复3~4次才行

kexin_xiao 发表于 2008-6-16 19:38:12

OLL很多公式可以用LZ的方法进行锻炼

jerold 发表于 2008-6-16 23:19:15

<P>36和37两个图形本身就是可以用一个顺和逆的公式互相转换。</P>
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[ 本帖最后由 jerold 于 2008-6-17 00:17 编辑 ]

bbshanwei 发表于 2008-6-17 20:06:57

有一个总结的帖子把相互联系的OLL归纳在了一起。LZ可以去找找。
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