华容道 发表于 2015-10-4 22:21:07

9×9之内有比这个还难的只有四个箱子的关卡吗?

华容道 发表于 2015-10-4 22:22:26

另:soko++中有这关吗?

anian 发表于 2015-10-5 00:05:19

本帖最后由 anian 于 2015-10-5 01:16 编辑

华容道 发表于 2015-10-4 22:22 static/image/common/back.gif
另:soko++中有这关吗?

SOKO++本身的关卡集应该没有这个关卡吧。
这个是TAKAKEN的作品。

SOKO++本身是否有这个关卡不是问题, 因为你可以加关卡的。

anian 发表于 2015-10-5 00:08:36

觉得一楼的关卡不难。
你问是否还有其它9x9, 4个箱子的关卡比它难,
回答这个问题之前, 得了解什么是“难”。
目前还没有一个标准去定难易。

anian 发表于 2015-10-5 00:29:32

要知道的是, 对人来说,步数多未必比步数少的难。
所以难易如果用步数来定是一个非常不好的标准。

但如果你选择是用最佳的推动或者移动来定难, 这个关卡当然不算难。
什么最难?   还需要电脑试尽全部可能才知道。
这个工作或许有人做了, 或许没有。

给出另外一个9X9以内比这个步数多的:

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Title: Level 15 of the Mulholland 2
Author: Shaggath


华容道 发表于 2015-10-5 09:07:48

anian 发表于 2015-10-5 00:29 static/image/common/back.gif
要知道的是, 对人来说,步数多未必比步数少的难。
所以难易如果用步数来定是一个非常不好的标准。



刚刚用软件解了一下,216移动,59推。好繁琐啊,谢谢!

anian 发表于 2015-10-5 09:33:25

上面Shaggath的关卡, 190/53 就可以过关。
只是想说, 关卡难度不可以光看步数。

anian 发表于 2015-10-5 09:35:46

如果只是看最佳步数, 下面这个关卡也是比一楼的大,
但你未必觉得下面这个关卡比一楼的难:

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Title: Lifts
Author: Aymeric du Peloux

华容道 发表于 2015-10-5 11:39:08

anian 发表于 2015-10-5 09:35 static/image/common/back.gif
如果只是看最佳步数, 下面这个关卡也是比一楼的大,
但你未必觉得下面这个关卡比一楼的难:



嗯,谢谢。

jaxer 发表于 2015-10-31 12:51:45

anian 发表于 2015-10-5 09:35 static/image/common/back.gif
如果只是看最佳步数, 下面这个关卡也是比一楼的大,
但你未必觉得下面这个关卡比一楼的难:



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