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作者: islandsea 时间: 2008-11-7 11:04:53 标题: 这个PLL大家都用什么公式??

就是GAN版本的PLL的第六个公式
如图:

这个是GAN的老版本:
x' (R U' R)D2(R' U R)D2 R2,
也就是PLL5的逆向,会了PLL5,基本也就差不多了,记忆相对简单些.
 
还有GAN的改进版:
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以及中岛的公式;
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谢了！！

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作者: 倚红颜 时间: 2008-11-7 11:08:57

你们的头像都是怎么换的呃？？？点击哪里呢

作者: 拂晓狂狮 时间: 2008-11-7 11:12:24

哪个顺手就有哪个

作者: zzyreal 时间: 2008-11-7 11:13:58

（l U' R）D2（R' U R）D2 R2
我觉得这个很好用

作者: 12335 时间: 2008-11-7 11:24:48

x' (R U' R)D2(R' U R)D2 R2我用的是这个,觉得很顺手.高手翻来复去,是为了看最后一步吗,中岛,到了最后一步,还是要观察的.

作者: 狂风扬舞 时间: 2008-11-7 11:29:18

x' (R U' R)D2(R' U R)D2 R2，我也觉得这个好用，不过到D2的时候，一般都用无名指，但速度较慢。

作者: islandsea 时间: 2008-11-7 11:30:00

原帖由 zzyreal 于 2008-11-7 11:13 发表 <A href="http://bbs.mf8-china.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=297104&ptid=16331" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.mf8-china.com/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> （l U' R）D2（R' U R）D2 R2 我觉得这个很好用

哦,漏了这个公式,试了一下,的确挺好用,也发现了一点,原来X'R和l是等效的,呵呵
 
这么看来上面三个公式加上这个,实际就是两个公式,翻的和不翻的........

作者: islandsea 时间: 2008-11-7 11:32:08

原帖由 12335 于 2008-11-7 11:24 发表 <A href="http://bbs.mf8-china.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=297121&ptid=16331" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.mf8-china.com/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> x' (R U' R)D2(R' U R)D2 R2我用的是这个,觉得很顺手.高手翻来复去,是为了看最后一步吗,中岛,到了最后一步,还是要观察的.

高手做完PLL不就完成了吗?又不象我做层先的,做完三角还要做三棱,呵呵.难道是检察一下,以免DNF?

作者: islandsea 时间: 2008-11-7 11:39:23

原帖由 狂风扬舞 于 2008-11-7 11:29 发表 <A href="http://bbs.mf8-china.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=297127&ptid=16331" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.mf8-china.com/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> x' (R U' R)D2(R' U R)D2 R2，我也觉得这个好用，不过到D2的时候，一般都用无名指，但速度较慢。

看来好象用这个公式的人最多啊?我也是这样,尽管X'R和l是等效的,而且用l还要少一步,但可能是受PLL5是影响,总觉得不做一个X'就不舒服--------哈哈,一看这表现就不是高手,不做翻转又不舒服,XYX一起做又做不来.......唉..... 
 
顺便说一下,我做PLL5时也是用无名指勾的,虽然勾的很生涩,看GAN的指法视频中,居然是用手掌(拇指和食指)去拧的,不理解...

作者: 食叶虫 时间: 2008-11-7 11:43:01

我跟4楼的一样~~~ （l U' R）D2（R' U R）D2 R2

作者: Lonely_7X 时间: 2008-11-7 11:45:17

我是用
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D2用無名指和中指連撥很順手

[ 本帖最后由 Lonely_7X 于 2008-11-7 11:50 编辑 ]

作者: 魔鱼儿 时间: 2008-11-7 12:18:20

那顺手就用那个,呵呵,就是PLL6

作者: szs5215213 时间: 2008-11-7 12:26:47

就是自己做做看，谁顺手就用谁喽

作者: kexin_xiao 时间: 2008-11-7 12:27:24

我和11楼意见一样

作者: 大风 时间: 2008-11-7 12:35:10

我也用GAN的先做x‘。

作者: me1900 时间: 2008-11-7 12:35:29

（l U' R）D2（R' U R）D2 R2这个我比较喜欢

作者: 溪风 时间: 2008-11-7 12:36:44

( l U' R ) D2 ( R' U R) D2 R2
这个挺顺手的！

作者: wz0311 时间: 2008-11-7 12:37:40 标题: PLL_n6

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作者: 文三路一枝花 时间: 2008-11-7 13:45:10

原帖由 12335 于 2008-11-7 11:24 发表 <A href="http://bbs.mf8-china.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=297121&ptid=16331" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.mf8-china.com/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> x' (R U' R)D2(R' U R)D2 R2我用的是这个,觉得很顺手.高手翻来复去,是为了看最后一步吗,中岛,到了最后一步,还是要观察的.

我也用这个,其实就是FRIDRICH原来的公式,转个方向.

作者: kyl025638 时间: 2008-11-7 16:48:09

我也感觉4楼的不错
翻来覆去太浪费时间的

作者: amanbaby 时间: 2008-11-8 10:45:26

我用这个x'(R U' R)z'(R'2 U' L U R2' x y R2)
不过自己改了一下x'(R U' R)z'(R'2 U' L U R2' U2)
欢迎拍砖

作者: xpboy 时间: 2008-11-9 10:03:51

我在想这个问题：gan的录像里，D2为啥是用右手手掌去拧的？是不是那个角度的摄像头照不到左后侧的无名指中指D2，才退而求其次选用这个手法的？

作者: zhaolin 时间: 2008-11-9 10:13:29

（l U' R）D2（R' U R）D2 R2 ,我也觉的好用

作者: lt-219 时间: 2008-11-9 15:09:39

我用x'(R U' R)z'(R'2 U' L U R2' x y R2)
pll全用GAN的

作者: ZJY 时间: 2008-11-9 17:03:23

把已经复位的放在右前方，然后 LFR'ULU'RUL'U'F'L'

作者: islandsea 时间: 2008-11-10 14:10:14

原帖由 xpboy 于 2008-11-9 10:03 发表 <A href="http://bbs.mf8-china.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=299955&ptid=16331" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.mf8-china.com/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> 我在想这个问题：gan的录像里，D2为啥是用右手手掌去拧的？是不是那个角度的摄像头照不到左后侧的无名指中指D2，才退而求其次选用这个手法的？

我也存在同样的疑问...........

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