哪位高手知道:高级玩法OLL的交替状态是为什么？

midi

在魔方高级玩法里,玩到完成顶面OLL的那个步骤里面有一个很奇怪的问题,,为什么不同的状态的解决方法可以用来练习?
举个例子:当用37算法完成37状态时,可以再用一次,就可以转到36状态,用36解法就可以将36状态还原一面,接着再继续……
这时候就有一个问题了：倘若说36解法是将右上角和右下角的颜色复原，那么为什么当它完成一面的时候再用36解法就回将右上角和左下角的颜色换走呢？
这里的36，37状态和解法是指魔方小站的这个网页：http://www.rubik.com.cn/fridrich2.htm

pengw

憨厚纯朴的行为，只相信双手和脚下的土地，除此以外，对任何其它事物视而不见，带着眼镜找眼镜，不惜与组合规律对决，愚公移山，至死不明，悲壮，但不值得同情。魔方有时并不像大家想像的那样让人开智，倒是有众多让人变蠢的实例，远非鲁木匠之预言。一天不见OLL，一天不叫OLL就很难生存，魔方真的就这么难以理解或是自已有什么问题？难到魔方是健身球无须用脑只管动手？哎，玩魔者都以高智自居啊！这是咋的？这么多年来，看到的，除了很多人的手指肌键得到了极限锻炼（健身球也有同样的功效），其它方面跟30年前并无区别，大脑基本就是装饰品。

[ 本帖最后由 pengw 于 2008-6-20 09:44 编辑 ]

Cielo

原帖由 <i>pengw</i> 于 2008-6-19 18:07 发表 <a href="http://bbs.mf8-china.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=162974&amp;ptid=10069" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.mf8-china.com/images/common/back.gif" alt="" border="0"></a>
魔方理论都出来三年了，啼笑皆非

<br><br>呵呵魔方理论也不只mf8才有啊，我觉得肯定在若干年前就有了。<br>

pengw

魔方理论都出来三年了，啼笑皆非

kexin_xiao

练习的时候可以用这样"互补"的方法练习

bbshanwei

有一个总结的帖子把相互联系的OLL归纳在了一起。LZ可以去找找。

jerold

<P>36和37两个图形本身就是可以用一个顺和逆的公式互相转换。</P>
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[ 本帖最后由 jerold 于 2008-6-17 00:17 编辑 ]

kexin_xiao

OLL很多公式可以用LZ的方法进行锻炼

bimilbenhao

我也觉得奇怪     有的复员后重复2次就能复员  有的要重复3~4次才行

乌木

你从复原态出发做那36式、37式，就知道要翻色的两个角块用这公式时并不是就地翻色的，而是三个角块轮换着、其中两个边移位边翻色，一个只移位不翻色。OLL中这种情况很多，这里允许移位的思路是，1、公式简单（不移位也可，但公式就长了）；2、只求顶面同色，移位无所谓，因为后面还要做PLL调位置。